Tuesday, 29 October 2019

Does Orania have a future?

Just by way of context for this post I have a neighbour who's been visiting South Africa at least once a year going back to 1995. He was a believer in the Rainbow Nation for a long, long time. But over the last few years he's relented. Admits that the country is going to hell in a handcart, that every time he visits he sees further signs of decline. He perceives the impact of BEE to be worse than that of violence or corruption. (BEE is of course a form of legalised corruption). Every visit sees another black nincompoop elevated into a position of crucial importance . He says that unlike in the Middle East such blacks appear blissfully unaware of their crippling limitations and that this is having a catastrophic impact on effectiveness and morale. As an aside he also professes astonishment at the number of Whites who continue to profess belief in the country's future.

Which brings me to Orania, a town which seems to be going from strength to strength. Even The Guardian admits this while expressing 'disquiet' at the uniform Whiteness of the town. Presumably they'd see no problem with the uniform blackness of Soweto.  According to the report 'the school has experienced strong growth particularly in the junior primary phase — the youngest pupils — and many of the classes have for the first time reached such numbers that they have had be to divided into two'. Some estimates see the population rising to 10,000 (it's currently about 2,000) by 2030. No surprise to learn that crime and unemployment are negligible while the industrious people have, as the Afrikaners have always done, carved a good living out of deeply inhospitable terrain. 

So can the Afrikaners really build their own homeland? History is against them. They built their own civilisation after they arrived in the 1600's but in the early 19th century were forced out by the British. In 1834 they upped sticks and trekked into the barren interior of the Cape and into Natal. After much further tribulation they established genuine independent homelands in Transvaal and the Orange Free State between 1854 and 1856. However they had the misfortune to pick an area which happened to have the world's largest diamond reserves which in turn lead to Britain yet again dispossessing them by way of the Boer Wars. The Afrikaners' final attempt took place under the Apartheid system under which Africa's most prosperous and advanced country was created. So desirable that blacks flocked to it in droves from the rest of Africa despite the supposedly hateful apartheid regime. But 'freedom and democracy' were not to be denied and by 1994 the Afrikaners were sold out again, this time by their own leaders.

So yes, history is against them. And today Afrikaners have (almost) no place left. Except maybe for Orania. But Orania can only ever be a peripheral solution because there are literally millions of Afrikaners and they can't all move there. So what are the prospects for the town itself? As things stand it's protected by the South African Constitution which allows some freedoms for tribes to have their own communities. Hence the importance of its remaining an exclusively Afrikaner community. But anyone who believes that the country's Constitution will, if tested, hold back the bantu is on cloud cuckoo land. If you have any doubt jst take one look at the country's top law enforcer (this guy). 

So a few humble suggestions.

Keep it Afrikaner. If you dilute the ethnic, cultural and religious homogeneity you're doomed. I always believed that the unwillingness of pre 'democracy' Whites to do all of their own work, including low-level labour, fatally undermined the Homeland policy. 

Don't be too successful, or if you are don't flaunt it. Ostentatious wealth will act like a magnet to both the impoverished black masses and their wealthy overlords. And in turn they'll be repelled by a frugal, honest and hard-working lifestyle.

Train to be as military proficient as circumstances allow. This includes small arms training, survival skills, emergency and contingency planning etc.

Learn from history in that under certain circumstances you might be sold down the river by everyone, even your own leaders. Prepare accordingly.

And finally consider the possibility that corruption could actually be your friend. A relatively modest bribe to key political and media figures might, just might, go a long way in deflecting unwanted attention from your success.

I offer these suggestions with a sense of deep humility (having as I do only an outsider's understanding). Humility because I'm offering survivalist advice to a doughty people who have overcome impossible odds throughout their history. But I offer it as a friend and well-wisher. I hope and, literally, pray that things work out for you.

60 comments:

sentient said...

The prospects are a little bit better than you suggest. For a start Orania is far out of the way from black 'freedom fighters' who like to target convenient and weak victims. An Orania of 20,000+ Afrikaners would be no such thing. Also a town with limited numbers of fast food joints and nail parlours, and most of all welfare, would not be much of an attraction.

Heraclitus said...

Understand that Orania is more than a small remote White down. It represents White independence and as such it will draw on itself much more animosity than its size represents. If it is left to succeed, and if left alone it will, it will act as an inspiration for other White societies. That cannot be allowed.

A A Swedish friend of this blog said...

Those of us in white countries with large and rapidly growing non-white populations will be faced with the Orania option sooner or later unless we act now.

Steve said...

Anonymous Heraclitus said...
Understand that Orania is more than a small remote White down. It represents White independence and as such it will draw on itself much more animosity than its size represents. If it is left to succeed, and if left alone it will, it will act as an inspiration for other White societies. That cannot be allowed.


In America a few years ago a white nationalist tried to create a small white town. He managed to acquire 8 houses in a row in one street in a town in the middle of nowhere. This was too much so he got destroyed. A billionaire Jew purposefully bought surrounding houses and moved blacks in. The global media went berserk. Even Obama publicly condemned the plan.

As Bob Whitaker said, Diversity means chasing down every last white person.


Steve said...

Anonymous A A Swedish friend of this blog said...
Those of us in white countries with large and rapidly growing non-white populations will be faced with the Orania option sooner or later unless we act now.


Is Orania even possible in Sweden? Doesn't the government decide who can live where?

FOD said...

"A billionaire Jew purposefully bought surrounding houses and moved blacks in."

Color me amazed. Expect something similar if Orania becomes too big and/or successful.

Unknown said...

Spot on

Dexter said...

I wish more white SAs would follow this path. Requires relocating and starting over - and often giving up much of what you had. Especially like the geography - something that can be worked with. Whites doing all work by themselves. Don't accept any low wage foreigners. The world would be a different place and a better one had the US accepted no hispanics, Germny no Turks, and South Africa refused all Black labor.

brane pilot said...

It is a suicidal fantasy to imagine that non-whites will adopt progressive white attitudes towards coexistence, racial diversity, and human rights when whites become a racial minority.

This is not wild eyed conspiracy theory, but an objective deduction from brutal facts unfolding in regions where whites are a minority, or soon will be. Whites are already randomly attacked and murdered in the no-go zones of European cities.

Immigration policy of white-majority countries that does not address this new reality, is self inflicted Genocide.

Survival for white people is not politically correct. To survive, whites must abandon 'political correctness' even at the cost of being denounced as 'racists' for pursuing racial survival.

`piet said...

There are over 500 White squatter camps now in South Africa including women and children. there is no running water etc. nor government assistance because they are a White minority.

Iron Sharpens Iron said...

Orania is an embarrassment to blacks so it won't be much longer before it is appropriated without compensation. Gibs me dat is their national motto.

Francis G said...

FOD said...
"A billionaire Jew purposefully bought surrounding houses and moved blacks in."

Color me amazed. Expect something similar if Orania becomes too big and/or successful.

29 October 2019 at 16:27


That's exactly what the (((stinking cunts)))) under the guise of the PFP (Progressive Federal Party) did in Cape Town in the early 80's. That Jewish whoremonger Helen Sussman with her (((British))) links and white do-gooder kaffir loving tax sucking parasites like "Dame" Emma Nicholson and George Galloway were right up with them. They bussed in thousands of zots from the kraals and hinterland, literally THOUSANDS of them because you rarely saw a black face in Cape Town up until 1980. The people who were really pissed off besides the whites were the established Cape coloureds. They had NO say in the scheme.

Boomer said...

Kaffirs suing Eben Etzebeth
Who owns Totalsports?

https://www.dispatchlive.co.za/sport/2019-10-29-totalsports-removes-etzebeth-poster-ahead-of-rugby-world-cup-final/

Elsa said...

Well O/T but check this out...

The chinks are being given free reign to deplete Africa's wild life by the ton load. Regarding this latest expose in the link below I've seen NOTHING on BBC and/or ITV, CNN about it?

I'm surprised there isn't a honcho within any of these animal welfare charities who's the equivalent of Greenpeace or Greta Thunberg in terms of calling them out and acting on them?

These wild life charities are worth millions, yet none of them dare stand up to the bastards behind these rackets. They just use namby pamby platitudes like "we're dismayed" .....

See here
https://www.bornfree.org.uk/news/zimbabwe-elephant-export-update

Orania vasbyt and God speed! You guys are a shining example in our dying world and will surely be blessed. If not in this world, certainly the next.

a lightwatcher said...

Does Orania have a future? Yes, absolutely. Orania and communities such as Filadelfia Ark are instances of enduring Afrikaner spirit that will quickly prevail across the entire Southern African region the moment the opportunity presents itself.

Economic, societal, environmental and other factors are approaching an apocalyptic turning point before the end of the next solar cycle peak (?mid 2020s) that will neutralize our globalist enemy. Combined with Siener van Rensburg prophecy, the answer can be banked on. More specifically, as students of USD / ZAR might have noticed, this chart foretells a major upturn in South Africa's fortunes March 2023.

If South Africa's internal enemies know what's good for them, they will be long gone by then. To all the good people in SA, as Elsa 23:02 said, "vasbyt."

great white said...

"foretells a major upturn in South Africa's fortunes March 2023."

But what does this mean? That the kaffirs will become wealthy and law-abiding? Or does it refer to whites only?

a lightwatcher said...

@great white 00:09. Thanks for clarifying. My comment refers to Afrikaners / SA whites only. Jews and kaffirs will never be law-abiding! :) They'll be lucky to escape with their lives when this reversal occurs. I think SVR best described what's going to happen to Jews, liberals and kaffirs in the 'clean-up'.

ianrob said...

If whites don't behave badly enough, we can promote Indians to whiteness.
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=60864 

Potgieter said...

Thanks for the support and the sensible suggestion Savant which I believe all Afrikaners will accept in the spirit in which they were given. Interesting one about using the kaffir penchant for corruption against them.

Boomer said...

Jesus Christ

Read up on what a disgusting fucking country Britain has become. It will end up like SA in 15 to 20 years. If the toddler involved in the link below was something other than white and this cunt who killed her was white he'd be in for life

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7630009/Multimillionaires-son-32-serves-just-seven-MONTHS-prison-killing-toddler.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ico=taboola_feed_desktop_news

Don't buy ANYTHING that belongs to Boparan Holdings - that includes Harry Ramsdens Fish & Chips.. fucking rats!

Anonymous said...

Diversity row after Conservatoire is accused of ‘ableism and transphobia’

Oh dear in Scotland

Charles Hawtrey said...

Would y'all agree that these "women" look like men ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7625413/Fire-union-chief-blasts-Grenfell-report-probing-rescue-teams-first.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1MU64ZSXSA

Boomer said...

More on Orania.

Interviewer phishing for 'racist' comment/construction.

Nearly all the comments are positive and should be an inspiration for the rest of us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sdGVkoHjIs

Place has a positive economic growth rate unlike the rest of the country. What's more its only 9 square kilometres in size!

Godspeed Orania!

Coastliner said...

"Every time he visits he sees further signs of decline..."

Sounds like me when I (reluctantly) have to go to Manchester every three or four months.....

Steve said...

The Swedish cultural minister who ordered viking artifacts to be melted down was black?

https://twitter.com/HenryMakow/status/1189519172574859264/photo/1

STeve said...

Sewerden not happy with the pace of progress. Hitting the accelerator.


https://www.rt.com/news/472144-sweden-migrants-website-overflow-war/

Steve said...

09% of American Jews are worried that the goyim know too much.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=197058

Jack Finney said...

The government radio BBC news feed informs us that, alas, the American dream is over for Asian Indians because the Trump administration is cracking down on H1B temporary work visas. Used to be only 5% of applicants were rejected. Now it's running at 50%.

The only other bright spot is that refugee resettlement has dropped from 120,000 annually to 18,000. A secondary effect is the crippling of the mainly religious NGO infrastructure that has brought all these monkeys to us.

This reflects Trump using his discretionary power to stop the madness. The population has doubled because of immigration in the last fifty years.

Tony in VA said...

'09% of American Jews are worried....'

That's not a lot!

Steve said...

Michael Obama doesn't understand white flight.

https://dailystormer.name/michelle-obama-says-white-people-are-evil-for-not-letting-blacks-get-up-in-their-faces/

Steve said...

Michael is right. Every black person deserves to live with white people.
White people don't.

Steve said...

Fun question at Charlie Kirk's tpusa event.

What a racist question that was! Okay, I got a quick and fun lighthearted question for you Charlie. So I know you gave a speech in Jerusalem earlier this year – were there any awesome, fun dance parties that you had afterwards, because I heard that Israelis are some of the best dancers in the world. I mean, if you guys don’t believe me, just Google “dancing israelis,” it’s insane how good their dance moves are. Would you agree or disagree with that?


What a GREAT question!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1189339295867387904

Poupon Marx said...

Jack Finney said..."The population has doubled because of immigration in the last fifty years."

The population of the USSA in 1965 was 200 million. And what a great time that was. Cities were much smaller, open space was everywhere, and a husband and father provided enough income to support the family. My mother stayed at home like almost all of them did in our neighborhood. We played after dark, and our parents did not ask us where we would be. Just be home by such a time. In nice weather, we left our windows open all the time, whether we were there or not.

But, omigawd, we were not diverse, inclusive, multiculti, or culturally enhanced. Most people were Western European, some Mediterranean-like my family-some Eastern European, and occasionally a Castilian Mexican who was from at least their middle class. A large group were Scottish-Irish Celtic. That was our "diversity". The girls were modest and womanly.

Young pimples of today will never experience that kind of peace and harmony. Think of a well tuned engine were all the parameters are in range, the cylinders are firing with maximum power.

Californian said...

One more recommendation for Whites in Orania, South Africa and globally:

Get on the Internet and get active!

Form networks with pro-White and nationalist groups worldwide which are fighting for the common cause.

* Keep everyone informed as to what is going on in SA.
* Use crowdsourcing to raise money for defense funds.
* Publicize atrocities committed by the ANC regime.
* Use online swarm tactics to barrage government agencies and NGOs with demands that White human rights be respected.

Remember the slogan: An attack on one is an attack on all!

Jacjk Finney said...

20 black youths brawling in the NYC subway and here come 15 cops to deal with them. In the middle of the fracas, a big white cop comes charging in and punches one of them.

Nothing to see here. But the local pols are all up in arms about it. Demonstrations. Calls for hearings and investigations.

Really. One might be tempted to think that things are coming to a head.

Television shows us that blacks make up 60% of the population. Who knew? Even aged liberals are getting annoyed at the obvious propaganda. And the black youts are more feral and aggrieved than ever.

Frank Galton said...

Is the Common Purpose(?) Commissioner of the London Fire Brigade, Dany Cotton, an anti-Semite?

On the BBC Six O'Clock News (30 October 2019) she said, re the Grenfell Tower fire, that "the 72 lives lost were just the worst thing ever."

Everyone knows that the "worst thing ever" was the "Holocaust", where, as Andrew Anglin said, "six million pawnbrokers and loan sharks were gassed in non-existent gas chambers." LOL!!!

Speaking of genocides...

Reuters, 29 October 2019

U.S. House recognizes Armenian genocide, backs Turkey sanctions

The U.S. House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly on Tuesday to recognize the mass killings of Armenians a century ago as a genocide, a symbolic but historic vote instantly denounced by Turkey.

U.S. lawmakers have been fuming about Turkey, however, in recent months, because of its purchase of a Russian missile defense system in defiance of U.S. sanctions and, more recently, its incursion into northern Syria to fight Kurdish forces after Trump abruptly announced he was withdrawing U.S. troops from the area.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-turkey-armenia/u-s-house-backs-measure-recognizing-armenian-genocide-idUSKBN1X82LY

Washington Post, 24 April 2015

Why Israel does not recognize the Armenian ‘genocide’

For decades, the stubborn Turkish position compelled the United States, a staunch ally, to avoid ruffling Ankara's feathers. The same was true for Israel, which, ironically until Erdogan's rise, had close political and military ties to Turkey.

Israel has a conspicuously close relationship to Azerbaijan, a Muslim-majority state that, like Armenia, emerged after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Israel imports 40 percent of its oil from Azerbaijan and exports a considerable supply of weapons and defense systems to Baku.

Armenia and Azerbaijan do not get along, and still feud over the disputed territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, a largely Armenian enclave inside Azerbaijan that the two countries battled over shortly after winning independence in 1991.

There are multiple, complicated layers of history here, but Israel knows what's clearly in its interest. Azerbaijan, petro-rich and perched on Iran's border, is a useful friend -- at least more so than tiny, land-locked Armenia.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/04/24/why-israel-does-not-recognize-the-armenian-genocide/

Frank Galton

Corkonian said...

I see that Frank Galton and Chumlee are starting off another round mutual abuse which will take over the thread in due course. Nip it in the bud Sav.

Boomer said...

Can 'humanity' get any more revolting than this?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7630877/Ashley-Graham-shows-growing-baby-bump-skin-tight-dress-32nd-birthday.html

Jack Finney said...

Surprised that Frank Galton would engage with Chumlee. His postings are organized and researched. In contrast, Chumlee's are whatever comes off the top of his head. Like the rest of us.

JimBeamLight is becoming a bit out spoken said...

Steve 30 October 2019 at 17:37
09% of American Jews are worried that the goyim know too much.

Most European 98% couldn't give a flying Fuck what the Yids have to say.

Steve said...

Sewerden is trying to attract more immigrants by advertising benefits.

"We have the best dole in the world. Come here to experience it."

What a sick joke.


https://www.rt.com/news/472144-sweden-migrants-website-overflow-war/

Steve said...


Remember the slogan: An attack on one is an attack on all!


That slogan might work for Jews, Blacks and Mexicans maybe but it elicits nothing in whites at all. We are far too individualistic. We always have and always will just stand back and watch when a distant white group is destroyed.


Besides, if the Zots hear that it will probably make them more likely to attach since according to the slogan attacking Orania will be like attacking all whites. Right?

Dingo said...

As a Afrikaner (Boer) and a member of Orania for a number of years +- 8 . Even though I left South Africa more than 10 years ago and have not been back since, I will give you the answer.

The answer is OWN LABOR.

Simple but thats it. The cheapest commodity in Southern Africa is cheap unskilled labor, and most white South Africans have grown up with that. Nothing racist but to ask a white male to mop the floor as a cleaner in a mall in SA, will be met with incredibility. Its just not done. In the early 80's Arthur Kemp a ex Rhodesian went to the Farming Shows all over the country and did presentations to the farmers. He told them mechanise, mechanise, mechanise , he was laughed off stage. "Joseph has been working on the farm for many years and he is part of the family" They will never do anything to us. Well the result is self evident today. Yet whites in SA still employ maids and gardeners, yes it bloody cheap, but at what cost?
There is a joke about South Africans in that they will rather get killed in bed, than make it up themselves.
As you mentioned BEE, who do you think drew up the BEE legislation, drew up the laws? Blacks ? Don't make me laugh. White lawyers did, it was white people who have never dealt with blacks and only had them as servants who voted yes in the referendum to give my country away. They were so naive that they thought all blacks will automatically turn into coconuts, black out side but white inside. That arsehole FW De Klerk even campaigned in Soweto as he really believed he will win the election in 1994, seriously !

So at the end , Orania will always survive and grow because they use their own labor.

To make it even more hilarious is that Orania is about the only municipality that isn't bankrupt.



Dingo said...

If you guys want, go onto the Orania website and make a donation if you have some spare change. It will always help to make them stronger.

Anonymous said...

The Orania people are christian zealots who even continue to proselytize to Blacks!
You might be white, but if you're not of the right sectarian persuasion don't even waste you're time visiting/supporting them: They will kick you out!
And of course for them the Jews are the people of the Book!
Jim

a lightwatcher said...

@ Steve 00:00
"We are far too individualistic."

Yes. I noticed a weakening of ethnic unity from strong among my grandparents' generation to weak among the grandchildren of my generation. The main cause of this decline: The Jewish hand on a major lever of society -- education and mass media. I am old enough to have witnessed the individualism of Jewish psychology spread through white society like a cancer, from the level of formal education through to mass media.

How long would it take to neutralize this multi-generational Jewish attack and reactivate the group survival instincts of today's youth? As the military people on this site know, it can be done surprisingly fast with proper training.

The tide is turning against these self-chosen parasites, e.g. the recent success of Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) discussed by Carolyn Yeager. As Boere_Ninja would say, "arm, train, organize". The big clean-up approaches.

Tomkat's Tribulations said...

There is another Orania arising: https://web.facebook.com/groups/963842847101503/?ref=bookmarks

Anonymous said...

sav
john
RE the train fire on the subcontinent:
this is spooky in my opinion ...what with the burning tower enquiry.
The similarity is frightning...................
in my opinion.
Some years back some primitive ........fired up his
stove in the gangway on a flight to ?

Anonymous said...

Sav
RE the train fire on the subcontinent:
this is spooky in my opinion ...what with the burning tower enquiry.
The similarity is frightning...................
in my opinion.
Some years back some primitive ........fired up his
stovein the gangway on a flight to ?

a lightwatcher said...

@Tomkat 09:41 Your Polydoros of Sparta quote is so true: "If you worship your enemy, you are defeated. If you adopt your enemy's religion, your are enslaved. If you breed with your enemy, you are destroyed." We certainly did #1 [believed Jews' self-chosen nonsense] and #2 [Christianity being a Jewish religion].

Thanks for the FB link -- Presently it leads to "Sorry, this content isn't available right now." Maybe it'll work later.

Anonymous said...

Wasn't the big mouth Terre Blanche killed in his bed?
As you say: Whites brought it on themselves.
The biggest problem for the Afrikaners is their Dutch Reformed Church: To this day they send missionaries to neighbouring Mosambik etc...to convert the Blacks to save their souls! How sick is that?
Jim

Chumlee's Brother said...

Anonymous said...
Sav
RE the train fire on the subcontinent:
this is spooky in my opinion ...what with the burning tower enquiry.
The similarity is frightning...................
in my opinion.
Some years back some primitive ........fired up his
stovein the gangway on a flight to ?

My blue blooded friend used to live in Kensington, in London, and he told me that a wealthy sheikh lived in the same block of flats, and at certain times of the year a live goat would be lead into the building, slaughtered in the sheikh's apartment and then roasted over a 'home made' fire pit in the middle of the living room floor, as the arabs all sat around it.

Chumlee's Brother said...

Dingo said...

So at the end , Orania will always survive and grow because they use their own labor.


How do the 'Oranians' defend themselves militarily?
Do they?
Can they?
What happens when the 'zombie apocalypse' arrives?
Human waves of blacks like in the film "Generation Z" march on Orania.
The Oranians have no long term future. They will all be killed.

They will share the fate of all whites in the next few decades.

Joanna Chumlee said...

Anonymous said...
Wasn't the big mouth Terre Blanche killed in his bed?
As you say: Whites brought it on themselves.
The biggest problem for the Afrikaners is their Dutch Reformed Church: To this day they send missionaries to neighbouring Mosambik etc...to convert the Blacks to save their souls! How sick is that?
Jim

31 October 2019 at 11:23


It's Mozambique.
Put up a verified example of where you read or better still have seen NGK or DRC missionaries there.
I believe their biggest problem is trusting anti-Christian, commie scheming trolls like you pretending to be otherwise when they meet them. Their Christian ideals are their foundation and indeed many are currently too naive for your poison but they're vigilant and evolving.
They've had decades of experience.

Me thinks you're are one of (((them))) or worse, an ANaL whigger?/ethnic? toad. I bet you've never been anywhere near Africa never mind Southern Africa

Anonymous said...

It's easy: If you go to google and type e.g. DRC missions in Mozambique or Botswana or Angola or Zululand or....you'll find a confirmation to my assertions.
Jim

Anonymous said...

https://www.mormonnewsroom.co.za/article/the-church-is-growing-rapidly-in-mozambique

American Mormons are expanding in Mozambique. They were trying their luck in KwaZulu Natal but were told in no uncertain terms to get out. Zulus are Methodists or Catholics in Natal.

Anonymous said...

Mormons, like other Christians, are crazy about Blacks!
There is Mia Love, a very ugly haitian woman who converted to Mormonism and became a superstar of the church and a US House representative.
Crazianity killed the West.
Jim

AnalogMan said...

Jack Finney said...

Surprised that Frank Galton would engage with Chumlee. His postings are organized and researched. In contrast, Chumlee's are whatever comes off the top of his head.

They only seem to come from the other end.

Chumlee's Brother said...



I'm sure if Jack wanted a 'mixed heritage' persons opinion, Analogman, he'd have asked you.

Anonymous said...

Mormons are not Christians.